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What is retargeting, and does it actually work?

You looked at a pair of shoes once and now those shoes follow you across the internet for a fortnight. That is retargeting, and almost everybody has experienced it from the receiving end without ever being told how it works. From the advertiser's side it is sold as the cheapest thing in marketing: 10 times the click rate, half the cost per customer, free to set up. All three of those claims are true and all three are misleading. This is what is actually happening, how to do it, and why the arithmetic comes out against it.

The short version:

  • The verdict: it does not work, because it costs more than it brings in. Meta says a customer costs $22. But only about a quarter of those buyers needed the ad, the rest were buying anyway, so the real price is nearly four times higher: $80. That same platform sells you a total stranger for $42 to $48. You lose money on every customer you buy this way.
  • Install the tag anyway, and not for retargeting. The same tag also goes on your order-confirmation page, where it tells Meta and Google that a sale happened. That is the only way they ever find out. Without it they cannot tell you which ad worked, cannot aim a campaign at people who buy rather than people who click, and cannot find you strangers who resemble your existing customers. All of that is ordinary advertising, and the tag is free.
  • Retargeting is not a new audience. It is a second conversation with traffic you already have. That single fact explains every one of its strengths and every one of its limits.
  • If that traffic was free, half of this argument goes away. An organic audience costs nothing and takes nothing from your other advertising, so it is worth a test that a paid one is not. It still does not make an $80 customer cheaper than a $45 stranger, so your price decides it.
  • How they know: a tag on your page tells Meta or Google "this logged-in account was here". Inside a walled garden there is no guessing, because one company owns both your tag and their feed.
  • Free to set up, about an afternoon of work. Both Google and Meta now run audiences from 100 people, though delivery is erratic below 1,000.
  • The numbers Meta and Google report to you are real: around 10x the click rate of cold display, roughly 3.8% vs 2.2% conversion, up to 50% lower reported cost.
  • Privacy defaults delete most of your audience. 29.5% run ad blockers, consent runs 42% to 47%, Safari caps cookies at 7 days (24 hours from an ad click). A 10,000-visitor site can reach about 2,600.
  • On iOS apps it is largely broken without ATT consent, which only 15% to 30% grant.

What retargeting is in one sentence, and the thing that actually makes it different: you are not buying a new audience at all, you are buying a second conversation with traffic you have already paid for once

Ordinary advertising buys strangers. The industry word for that is prospecting, and it means exactly what it sounds like: paying to put your ad in front of people who have never heard of you. Retargeting buys a specific list of people who already did something: visited a page, watched a video, added to a cart, installed an app. Everything good and everything limiting about it follows from that one distinction.

It comes in seven flavours, and they are not equally available to a small product.

Type of retargetingWhat puts someone on the listWhere the ad then appearsHow well it works next to other retargetingIs it even available to a small product
Site retargetingLoading any page carrying your tagAny platform whose pixel you installed: Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Bing, TikTok, Pinterest, Snapchat, LinkedIn, Reddit, X, plus the open display networkMost volume and the steadiest delivery of the sevenYes, this is the default one
Cart or checkout abandonmentReaching a specific deep page and not convertingSame places, but with a much sharper messageThe best-converting slice of retargeting, and still a reported numberOnly if you have a multi-step checkout
Customer list (CRM) retargetingYou upload hashed emails or phone numbersAnywhere the platform can match the accountDepends on match rate, typically 60% to 80%Yes, and it survives cookie loss
Engagement retargetingWatching your video or opening your lead formInside that platform onlyWeaker intent than a site visit, but far more volumeYes, and it needs no website at all
Dynamic product retargetingViewing a specific product, which is then shown back to youDisplay and social, as an auto-generated product adWorse than generic ads on average, per published researchNo, needs a product catalogue feed
App retargetingInstalling or opening your appOther apps, via the mobile advertising IDLargely broken on iOS without tracking consentRarely, and almost never on iOS
Search retargeting (RLSA)Visiting your site, then later searching on GoogleGoogle search results, at an adjusted bidHigh intent: they are searching and they know youYes, but only if you already run search ads
The one row worth arguing with

Dynamic retargeting, the shoes-following-you-around kind, is the most famous form and on average the worst performing. Lambrecht and Tucker's field experiment in the Journal of Marketing Research found that showing people the exact product they had browsed was less effective than a generic brand ad. The exception was people whose preferences had clearly moved on, for example by visiting a review site in the meantime. Those people responded well to the specific product.

The reading: showing someone the thing they already decided against is not a reminder, it is an argument they have already had. Specificity only helps once they know what they want.

How a platform knows the person scrolling Instagram is the same person who visited your website: a tag on your page hands your visitor's identity to a company that already knows exactly who they are

This is the part that feels like magic and is not. The short answer is that you tell them, and the company you tell is one that already has your visitor logged in somewhere else.

The sequence, for a Meta pixel, in the order it happens:

1. You paste a few lines of JavaScript into your site's <head>. It is called a pixel or tag, and it is free.Setup
2. A visitor loads your page. Their browser runs that code, which quietly calls Meta's servers.Page load
3. That call carries the browser's existing Meta cookie, the one set when they logged into Facebook or Instagram. Meta already knows who that is.Identify
4. Meta records "account #4471 visited azrin.example, page /pricing, at 14:02" against your ad account's audience.Store
5. Next time account #4471 opens Instagram, you are eligible to bid for that impression. No matching, no inference, no guesswork.Serve

The same tag does a second job, and it is the one that matters even if you never retarget.

Which explains the two things people find most surprising about it.

Outside the walled gardens it is much shakier, and the difference matters when you choose where to run.

How you get recognisedWhat the match is actually based onHow reliable it isWhat breaks itWorks across devices
Meta pixel, logged-in accountTheir Facebook or Instagram login, read as a first-party cookie on Meta's own domainDeterministic: it is the same company at both endsAd blockers and consent refusals stop the tag firingYes, the ID is the person
Google tag, Google accountTheir signed-in Google identity, plus the click ID on ad trafficDeterministic where signed in, weaker where notSigned-out browsing, consent mode, ad blockersYes, where signed in
Hashed email upload (Customer Match)You upload emails, the platform hashes and matches them to accounts60% to 80% match rate, but immune to cookie lossPeople using a different email with the platformYes, and it survives everything else
Server-side events (Conversions API)Your own server posts the event to the platform, not the browserRecovers 20% to 40% of otherwise lost signal, not all of itNeeds real engineering to implement properlyOnly where you can identify the user yourself
Third-party cookie and cookie syncingAd tech firms swap ID tables so two cookies can be agreed to be one browserLeaky: every hop in the chain loses matchesSafari and Firefox block it outright, Chrome is degradingNo, it identifies a browser, not a person
Mobile advertising ID (IDFA, GAID)A device-level identifier passed between appsCollapsed on iOS since App Tracking Transparency15% to 30% opt-in on iOS kills the poolNo, it is one device

The practical takeaway: retargeting inside Meta, Google or TikTok is a solved problem, and retargeting across the open display web is held together with tape.

Nobody is spying on you in the cinematic sense. The site you visited voluntarily told a company you were already logged into that you had been there.

Setting it up costs nothing and takes an afternoon, and you should do it even though retargeting is not worth funding, because the very same tag is what makes your ordinary advertising work at all

There is no product to buy and no minimum spend. The steps are the same everywhere:

Step 5 is why the timing advice is so lopsided in one direction.

Why install the tag if you have just been told not to retarget

Because almost everything the tag does has nothing to do with retargeting. The same few lines of code also sit on your order-confirmation page, and there they report "someone paid $34.99" rather than "someone visited". That is the only way Meta or Google ever learns a sale happened, because the payment goes through your site or Stripe, where they cannot see it. Without that, they cannot tell you which ad produced a sale, so every campaign you run is guesswork. They cannot aim a campaign at people who will buy rather than people who will click, which is the difference between cheap clicks and actual customers. They cannot build you an audience of strangers who resemble your existing buyers, which is one of the better ways to find new people. And they cannot stop you paying to advertise to customers who already bought. All of that is ordinary advertising, not retargeting, and none of it works without the tag.

The retargeting audience is just a free by-product. It costs nothing, it accumulates in the background, and it is the only part you cannot buy your way out of later. Decide in November to run ads for a December launch and you start with an audience of zero, because the audience is built from traffic that has already happened.

The same logic applies to the retention window. Set audiences to the maximum duration from day one, because you can always narrow a long window later, but you can never recover visits that were never recorded.

Retargeting is not a Google and Meta feature, it is a pixel feature, and nearly every ad platform ships a pixel. What actually differs between them is the smallest list each one will serve an ad to and how long it remembers a visit, and both of those thresholds changed recently while most guides still quote the old ones. The last column rates installing the free tag, which is worth doing. It is not a rating of spending money on retargeting ads, which this article argues against.

PlatformSmallest audience it will runHow long someone stays on the listWhat you installWorth installing the tag
Meta (Facebook, Instagram)100 people technically, 1,000+ before delivery is stableUp to 180 days for website visitorsMeta pixel, plus Conversions API if you canYes. Its tag is what measures and aims your ordinary campaigns, whether or not you ever retarget
Google Ads100 active users across Search, Display and YouTube (was 1,000 on Search)Up to 540 days on Display, 180 on SearchGoogle tag, or GA4 audiences linked to AdsYes. Same reason, and it feeds GA4 as well
Microsoft Ads (Bing)300 people before it will serve the list at all180 days, and that is a hard cap you cannot raiseThe UET tagOnly if you already run Bing search ads
TikTok1,000 people for a custom audienceUp to 180 daysTikTok pixel or Events APIOnly if you already advertise on TikTok
Pinterest100 matches on an uploaded customer list; Pinterest publishes no floor for site visitorsUp to 540 days, tied with Google for the longest memory hereThe Pinterest tagNo unless you already advertise there
Snapchat1,000 people, the highest floor of any self-serve platform hereUp to 395 daysThe Snap PixelNo unless you already advertise there
LinkedIn300 people and a high floor price per impressionUp to 365 daysLinkedIn Insight TagOnly if you sell B2B and already advertise there
Reddit and XAround 100 to 300, varies by objectiveTypically 180 daysTheir own pixelNo. Small audiences and thin ad supply
Third-party networks (AdRoll, Criteo)Effectively thousands of visitors to be worth their feeVaries by contractTheir tag, plus a monthly platform feeNever. A monthly fee for reach that barely works any more

Which visitors are worth chasing, and the two settings that matter more than any bid you will ever place

Why retargeting looks miraculous inside Meta and Google's own reporting: it clicks around 10 times more often and converts roughly twice as well as cold traffic, and both of those numbers are real

The statistics quoted in every retargeting pitch are, unusually for marketing, mostly accurate. It is what they are taken to mean that goes wrong.

The claim you will be shownThe numberIs it actually trueWhat it really proves
"Retargeting clicks 10x better than display"0.7% against 0.07% for standard displayYes, and newer sets put retargeting at 0.9% to 1.2%That display's baseline is catastrophically low, not that retargeting is strong
"It converts far better than cold"3.8% against 2.2% non-retargetedYes, and the gap widens to 3x to 5x against pure strangersThat people who already visited you are closer to buying, which you knew
"It halves your cost per customer"Up to 50% lower reported CPATrue as reported, and reported is doing heavy liftingNothing yet, until it survives a holdout test
"Retargeting CPMs are cheaper"$5 to $15 against $12 to $20 broad coldContested: other sets show warm audiences at the highest CPMsBoth happen: relevance pushes price down, a tiny audience pushes it back up
"Retargeting lifts return visits"14.6% more users returned within four weeksYes, and this one is causal: a randomised field experimentThe genuine article. This is what a measured effect looks like

Notice which row is different. Four of those are observational: they compare people who saw retargeting to people who did not, and those two groups were never comparable to begin with. Only the last is an experiment, and it is the only one that can tell you the ads caused anything.

The measurement trap that flatters retargeting more than any other channel in marketing: the ads are shown to exactly the people who were going to buy anyway, so Meta and Google take the credit for sales that would have happened without them

The mechanism is simple enough to state in one line, and it invalidates most published retargeting results.

What a holdout typically finds, using the standard worked example:

Sales Meta says the campaign produced8,000
Purchases made by the exposed 80% of the audience12,200
Purchases made by the held-out 20%, scaled to the same size10,000
Purchases the advertising actually caused, which is 27.5% of the reported figure2,200
27.5% of the sales Meta and Google credit to retargeting typically survive a randomised holdout test. The other three quarters were people who had already decided. So every reported retargeting cost per customer has to be divided by about four before you compare it to anything else, and once you do, the cheap price is gone.

The error runs in both directions, which is why "just trust the platform" and "just trust Google Analytics" are both wrong

Meta and Google taking too much credit is the famous story, and it is only half of it. Google Analytics makes the opposite mistake, and it can be just as large.

How each measurement method fails, so you know what you are looking at.

How you are measuringWhat it actually countsWhich way it gets it wrongHow hard it is to runShould you believe it
Platform-reported conversionsAnyone who converted after clicking, or often just after seeing, your adClaims far too much: Meta and Google mark their own homeworkZero effort, it is the default screenOnly as a trend line, never as a level
Last-click analytics (GA4)Only conversions where the ad click was the final touchClaims far too little: measured at 11x too low in one experimentZero effort, already installedNo, especially where most people see the ad without clicking it
Platform conversion lift studyA randomised no-ads control group run by the platform itselfRoughly right, though the platform designs the testModerate: needs minimum spend to qualifyYes, the best effort-to-truth ratio
Your own audience holdoutThe difference between a random exposed group and a random excluded oneThe actual answer for your accountModerate: a week of setup, weeks of patienceYes, this is the gold standard
Geo holdoutTurning the channel off entirely in matched regionsClean and causal, but bluntHard: needs scale and matched marketsYes, if you are big enough to run it
Eyeballing it after switching it onWhatever else changed that monthUnbounded in both directionsNoneNo

The limit that decides everything else about retargeting: your audience can never be larger than the traffic you already have, and privacy defaults quietly delete about three quarters of it before you can reach anyone

Everything above is about how well retargeting converts. This section is about the ceiling on how many people it can convert at all, and for a small product the ceiling binds long before the conversion rate does.

Start with 10,000 monthly website visitors, which is more traffic than most independent products have, and watch what is left.

Monthly website visitors10,000
Minus the 29.5% who run an ad blocker, which stops your tag firing at all7,050
Minus consent refusals, at the 42% to 47% average acceptance in consent-required regions3,170
Minus Safari decay: 24% browser share, capped at a 7-day cookie inside your 30-day window2,590
Share of your visitors you can actually put an ad in front of~26%

Each of those haircuts is separately documented, and they multiply rather than add.

What eats your audienceWhat it doesHow much it costs youCan you do anything about it
The traffic ceiling itselfYou cannot retarget people who never cameAbsolute: it caps the entire channelNo: the only fix is more traffic, which costs what traffic costs
Ad blockersBlock the pixel from loading, so the visit is never recorded29.5% of users globally, 32.5% in the US, 38% to 40% in the UKPartly: server-side events recover some of it
Cookie consentNo consent, no tracking, in the EU, UK and increasingly elsewhere42% to 47% average acceptance, under 25% in some countriesSomewhat: banner design moves this a lot
Safari ITPCaps JavaScript cookies at 7 days, and at 24 hours from an ad clickGuts long windows for the 24% of users on SafariPartly: server-side tagging restores longer lifetimes
Apple's App Tracking TransparencyRemoves the device ID that app-to-app retargeting depends onOnly 15% to 30% opt in, so the iOS pool collapsedBarely: web-to-app journeys are the workaround
Third-party cookie declineOpen-web display retargeting depends on cookies Safari and Firefox already blockChrome kept them after reversing course, but reliability keeps slidingYes: stay inside the walled gardens
The platform minimumAn audience under the floor simply will not deliver100 people to run at all, ~1,000 to run reliablyYes: widen the window, or combine audiences

Frequency and the creepiness cliff: the effect is concentrated in the first day and the first few impressions, and a small audience with an ordinary budget mathematically forces you straight past the point where the ad starts costing you goodwill

This is the failure mode that produces the shoes-following-you-for-a-fortnight experience, and it is almost always an arithmetic accident rather than a decision.

Now put the small audience and the ordinary budget together, and see why over-exposure is the default outcome rather than a mistake:

Your reachable retargeting audience, from the chain above2,590
A modest monthly retargeting budget$200
At a $10 CPM, that budget buys impressions20,000
Times each person sees your ad this month, which is straight into the fatigue zone7.7
The counter-intuitive fix

If your frequency is too high, the answer is usually to spend less, not to change the creative. A tiny audience with an uncapped budget has nowhere to put the money except into repetition, so the platform obediently shows the same person the same ad eight, twelve, twenty times. The budget is not buying reach any more. It is buying resentment.

Set a frequency cap of around 3 to 5 per week, cap the budget at whatever that many views actually costs for an audience your size, and put the remainder into finding new people, which is what actually makes the retargeting audience bigger next month.

What retargeting actually costs, and why its famously cheap cost per customer is partly an accounting illusion that disappears the moment you measure it honestly

On paper retargeting wins every cost comparison. Here is the whole comparison, including the rows the pitch decks leave out.

What you are comparingAdvertising to strangersRetargetingWhy the gap exists
Cost per 1,000 impressions$12 to $20 broad cold targeting$5 to $15, but warm pools can run higherRelevance earns a discount; a tiny contested audience takes it back
Cost per clickAround $0.30 to $1.00 on Meta$0.50 to $1.20, dearer per click but far more clicks per impressionA higher click rate offsets the dearer click, so the two end up close
Conversion rate of that traffic0.7% to 1.5% typical cold3.8%, up to 3x to 5x coldSelection: these people already chose to visit you
Cost per customer Meta and Google report$42 to $48 on Meta, $49 on Google SearchUp to 50% lower, about $22 on MetaThey are counting sales they did not cause
Cost per customer after a holdoutRoughly what it said. Cold traffic is not picked out of people already trying to buyAbout $80, which is more than the cold row beside itDivide the reported figure by the share the ads really caused
Can you scale it by spending moreYes, until you exhaust the marketNo: extra budget buys repetition, not reachThe audience is fixed by last month's traffic, not by your budget
What happens if you cut itYour retargeting list shrinks next monthNothing else is affectedRetargeting is built out of the traffic strangers-advertising buys, never a substitute for it

Throw away the buyers who were going to buy anyway and the cheap price disappears:

Monthly retargeting spend$2,200
Customers Meta reports, at the benchmark $22 each100
How many of those 100 the ads actually caused, at the 27.5% a holdout typically finds27.5
What one real customer actually cost you, which is $2,200 divided by 27.5$80.00
$80 is what a "$22 per customer" retargeting campaign really costs, because most of those buyers never needed the ad. That is more than the same platform charges you for a total stranger, which is $42 to $48 on Meta and $49 on Google Search. Retargeting is not a cheap way to buy customers. It is an expensive one wearing a cheap price tag.
The most expensive misunderstanding in this article

A cheap reported cost per customer is not a discount you can scale into. The tempting move, once retargeting reports $22 a customer next to $42 to $48 for a stranger, is to shift the budget across. It fails twice over: the $22 was never real, and the retargeting list only exists because the money spent on strangers created it. Move the money and next month there is nobody left to retarget.

Retargeting is a small nudge to traffic you already have, not a cheaper source of customers. The industry answer is to budget it as 20% to 30% of your ad spend. On the numbers in this article the better answer is zero, and if you run it at all, run it as a test with a holdout rather than as a line in the budget.

Work out what it would cost you specifically: the calculator below turns your traffic into the audience you can actually reach, the number of times your budget will force each of them to see the ad, and what one real customer ends up costing

Three questions decide this, and all three are arithmetic rather than opinion: how many people can you reach, how often will they see you, and what does one real customer cost. Set your own numbers, or use the presets.

What changes if your visitors arrived for free: an organic audience is genuinely additive rather than cannibalising your other advertising, which kills half the argument above, but a free audience still does not make an $80 customer cheaper than a $45 stranger

Everything above quietly assumes you paid for the visit. Plenty of people did not: they rank in search, they got a good thread on a forum, someone told a friend. That is a materially different case and it deserves a straight answer.

The harder version, where the page they read is about the subject rather than about your product: better odds that the ad did something, much worse odds that anyone buys

Take an accent training app running an article on how accents actually form. The readers are exactly the right kind of person and none of them came to buy anything. Retargeting them is a different proposition again, and it moves in two directions at once.

Chrome is not what tracks them, and Display is the worst of the three places to try this

Your tag does the tracking, not the browser. Google Display retargeting works because you put the Google tag on your pages, or link a GA4 audience to Google Ads. Chrome does not report anyone's browsing to your ad account, and no browser setting switches retargeting on. If the tag is not on the page, the visit never happened as far as Google is concerned.

Chrome does matter, for a different reason. Serving those ads back out across the Display Network leans on third-party cookies. Safari and Firefox block them outright and Chrome kept them after reversing course, so open-web display retargeting still works on Chrome and largely does not elsewhere. That is a limit on who you can reach, not the thing doing the recognising.

And Display is the dearest of the three anyway. Corrected for the sales the ads really caused, a customer costs about $138 on Google Display against $95 on Google Search and $80 on Meta, set out next to every other channel here. If you are going to test this at all, do not start with the most expensive version of it.

The three cases side by side, because they are usually discussed as if they were one thing:

How the visitor got to youWhat the audience costs youDoes spending here shrink your other advertisingHow many of the sales the ads really causeShould you spend money on it
They clicked one of your adsThe price of the click, which is most of your ad budgetYes. Move money here and next month's list is smallerAbout 27.5%. They were already shoppingNo. $80 a customer against $42 to $48 for a stranger
They found you in search and looked at your productNothing, and it keeps arrivingNo. The traffic comes whether or not you advertiseStill about 27.5%. Arriving free does not make them less likely to buy anywayWorth testing, because finding out costs nothing
They read your article on the subject and never saw your productNothingNoBetter than 27.5%. They were not shopping, so less of it was going to happen without youNo. They convert far worse, and they are worth more as a seed

Which points at the two things a free audience is actually good for, neither of which is retargeting:

Every situation people claim retargeting is worth paying for, and what actually happens in each one: seven of the ten are a straight no, and the three that are not are tests rather than plans

These are the ten situations the industry names when it tells you to run retargeting.

Your situationShould you spend money on itWhyWhat to do instead
Pre-launch, no traffic yetNo. There is nobody to retargetThe list is built from past visits and you have noneInstall the tag anyway, for conversion tracking rather than for retargeting
Under 1,000 visitors a monthNo. Not even closeRoughly 260 reachable people cannot sustain deliverySpend the same money and effort on getting more traffic
5,000 to 50,000 visitors, considered purchaseOnly as a test, with a holdout running from day oneBig enough to deliver, but a real customer still costs more than a stranger doesCap the spend at what you can afford to write off, and measure it properly
Ecommerce with cart abandonmentThe strongest case here, worth testingReported $13 a customer. Even divided by the 27.5% a holdout typically finds, that is about $47, the only case in this article that lands anywhere near the $42 to $48 a stranger costsA 7-day cart audience only, and hold out a random slice to see what it really did
Free iOS app with in-app purchasesNo.App-to-app retargeting needs tracking consent that 70% to 85% of people refuseNothing. Put the money into finding new people
B2B SaaS with a long sales cycleNo, and LinkedIn charges a premium on topLong decisions do favour reminders, but a LinkedIn impression is the dearest in the tableEmail the list yourself. It costs nothing and reaches them properly
Cheap impulse product, instant decisionNo.If they did not buy in the first session they mostly never willFix the first session instead
You have an email list of past signupsEmail them instead. It is freeUploading the list to Meta means paying to reach people you can already reach for nothingUse the list directly. Only upload it if email has already failed
Organic visitors who looked at your productWorth testing, because the test itself is freeThe audience costs nothing and takes nothing from your other advertising, but a caused customer still costs more than a stranger doesHold out a random slice from day one, and seed a lookalike audience from them either way
Organic readers of your content, who never saw your productNo. Use them as a seed insteadThey were never shopping, so they convert far below the $22 benchmark, which was measured on people who wereTake their email on the page, and hand them to Meta or Google to find similar strangers

If you are going to run it anyway, the setup that wastes the least money

The honest bottom line: retargeting does not work, because it costs more than it brings in. The ads do move some people, and that part is properly measured: roughly a 15% lift in return visits in the best controlled study available. But Meta and Google report an effect about four times larger than the one they caused, because the ads are shown to people who had already decided. Strip those people out and the famous $22 customer really cost $80, where the same platform sells you a total stranger for $42 to $48. There is no version of that arithmetic where you come out ahead, and you cannot spend your way past it either, because the list only exists at all thanks to the money you spent on strangers. Install the tag on day one anyway. It is free, and it is what lets Meta and Google tell you which ad produced a sale, aim a campaign at people who buy rather than people who click, and find you strangers who resemble your existing customers. Then put the budget into finding those new people, and treat every retargeting figure Meta and Google show you as an upper bound rather than a result.